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CPS 60s and prior
Posted by:
Kchi
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Date: November 25, 2013 04:15PM
I would like to hear from some former CPS students who went to school in the 60s or prior. WHat interests me are what the conditions were. What brings this to mind is that I live near a school and just saw a delivery from Hinckley water and Rosen's bread. The stories I read in the papers is we don't spend enough, class sizes are too large and we need to provide hot meals or children can't learn. Also schools need to be air conditioned because it is too hot. I personnally went to a Catholic school who had no lunch hot or cold. You either went home, or brought a sandwich wrapped in waxed paper and a carton of milk bought at the local grocery. Class sizes were in the 30+ range and no child was turned away.
I find it hard to believe that students in the 60s or prior were given bottled water, small class sizes or hot meals. Were students allowed to go home for lunch? Was lunch provided free of charge or did you have to pay? Did anybody worry about the quality of the school or were you forced to go to the school nearest your home? ,
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/25/2013 04:17PM by Kchi.
I find it hard to believe that students in the 60s or prior were given bottled water, small class sizes or hot meals. Were students allowed to go home for lunch? Was lunch provided free of charge or did you have to pay? Did anybody worry about the quality of the school or were you forced to go to the school nearest your home? ,
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/25/2013 04:17PM by Kchi.
Re: CPS 60s and prior
Posted by:
Jeff_Weiner
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Date: November 25, 2013 08:07PM
I went to Marquette Elementary, graduating in 1969. The early summers were hot, and I would have loved to have air conditioning. There were only lunch tables in the kindergarten "suite", and we got Wanzer milk and Salerno Butter cookies for a mid-class snack, while having to bring a bag lunch from home. From first grade on to eighth I had to go home for lunch, which was no hardship since I lived two blocks away.
I took a "sentimental journey" last week, via Google Maps, to have a look at Marquette. The large playground area at the north end of the block was gone, taken entirely up by a huge addition. Where do the kids go for recess? Has it been eliminated? I haven't been inside the school since I graduated, so I have no idea what sort of services are now available at the school. All I do know is I hate Salerno Butter Cookies (too damned many of them during Kindergarten)!
I took a "sentimental journey" last week, via Google Maps, to have a look at Marquette. The large playground area at the north end of the block was gone, taken entirely up by a huge addition. Where do the kids go for recess? Has it been eliminated? I haven't been inside the school since I graduated, so I have no idea what sort of services are now available at the school. All I do know is I hate Salerno Butter Cookies (too damned many of them during Kindergarten)!
Re: CPS 60s and prior
Posted by:
shekaago
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Date: November 25, 2013 09:01PM
Great topic, Kchi! I attended Locke (K thru 8) back in the late 60's, early 70's. I walked a mile each way to school and back. I wasn't forced to go to Locke, though. It just so happened that I lived half way between Locke and Bridge and for some reason, my parents chose Locke. My mom packed a lunch for me every day as there was no time for me to walk home and back to school during lunch hour [u]and[/u] Locke had no cafeteria at the time. We ate in the assembly hall. I remember 1/2-pint cartons of milk being provided but no food, hot or cold. You had to eat what your mom packed for you! Often times the milk was warm and sometimes it was spoiled. I think the brand was Wanzer at first, then was switched to Dean's. Most of the kids who ate lunch at school were bussed-in students so they were at Locke the whole day like I was. We had no bottled water. We drank from water fountains. Locke had no air conditioning at the time but I remember it being plenty warm in the winter. Coal was delivered to the boiler room, located in a separate building which had a tall smokestack. Air conditioning in the warmer months was provided a la fresh air, let in by opening tall, double-hung windows with a very long, hook-ended pole. Class size was about 30, on average. I have very fond memories of attending Locke. I feel, now that I look back, that I received a good education there. Some of the teachers were really great and went above and beyond to make sure students received a fair and solid education. I don't think the lack of air conditioning or hot lunches made any difference! ;-)
Re: CPS 60s and prior
Posted by:
trainutlen
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Date: November 26, 2013 02:51PM
I went to Budlong School in the early 60's and graduated in 1963, Last January class. I was a patrol boy so we got hot chocolate on really cold days. I only ever went home for lunch and didn't buy lunch at any cafeteria until High School. There was no airconditioning and I recall one May when it was over 90 and really hot.
Re: CPS 60s and prior
Posted by:
Joseph Manzo
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Date: November 26, 2013 07:50PM
I attended Seward School in the 'Back of the Yards' community in the 1950's.
Our class size was about 35 per class and still found a way to learn in
class. Their was no A/C in the rooms at that time. The lunch room was located
on the first floor and rarely eat there. Lunches were brought from home.
The teachers back then were able to run the class size and parents were
involved to make sure their children went to school and supported the
teachers. It was a mixed community yet all of us got along.
Our class size was about 35 per class and still found a way to learn in
class. Their was no A/C in the rooms at that time. The lunch room was located
on the first floor and rarely eat there. Lunches were brought from home.
The teachers back then were able to run the class size and parents were
involved to make sure their children went to school and supported the
teachers. It was a mixed community yet all of us got along.
Re: CPS 60s and prior
Posted by:
Wyoming Ed
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Date: November 29, 2013 12:30PM
Attended Peck Elementary on the Southwest side in the late'50s/early '60s. No AC: when it got hot the very tall windows were opened, often only at the top using a long pole, to let the rising heat out. I don't recall the heat bothering us much. Most folks didn't have AC at home, so it was what we were used to anyway. Come June 1st the boys were allowed to go without the neckties we were required to wear the rest of the year (usually the clip on type). Not sure if the tie thing was a system wide policy or left up to the individual principals.
At lunchtime the kids who lived closer would go home, while those living farther away (I walked about a mile and a few walked a couple of blocks more) stayed. Almost always brought a bag lunch: peanut butter & jelly, cream cheese & jelly or bologna sandwiches). I'd buy a carton of milk in school: white 3 cents, chocolate 4 cents. We just ate at desks in a classroom. One could buy a hot lunch and eat it in a lunchroom which was set up with a cafeteria type line, though I almost never did. We were expected to finish our meal in about 15 minutes after which, weather permitting, we'd go out onto the playground. The boys usually playing a "batter throws the ball" version of baseball, as weren't allowed to use a bat at lunch. The girls often jumping rope. As the anniversary of JFK's assassination has just passed, I do still remember where I was standing on that playground and who told me the news that lunchtime 50 years ago. Aside from the last anecdote, very good times and memories.
At lunchtime the kids who lived closer would go home, while those living farther away (I walked about a mile and a few walked a couple of blocks more) stayed. Almost always brought a bag lunch: peanut butter & jelly, cream cheese & jelly or bologna sandwiches). I'd buy a carton of milk in school: white 3 cents, chocolate 4 cents. We just ate at desks in a classroom. One could buy a hot lunch and eat it in a lunchroom which was set up with a cafeteria type line, though I almost never did. We were expected to finish our meal in about 15 minutes after which, weather permitting, we'd go out onto the playground. The boys usually playing a "batter throws the ball" version of baseball, as weren't allowed to use a bat at lunch. The girls often jumping rope. As the anniversary of JFK's assassination has just passed, I do still remember where I was standing on that playground and who told me the news that lunchtime 50 years ago. Aside from the last anecdote, very good times and memories.
Re: CPS 60s and prior
Posted by:
davey7
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Date: December 02, 2013 04:00PM
I went to one of the early 70's CPS High Schools and we had ac (though my local paper claims it doesn't....). Though by that time, any major new building in the US would have had it as a matter of course.
Re: CPS 60s and prior
Posted by:
rjmachon
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Date: December 03, 2013 07:25PM
Kchi, I went to Amundsen High in 1969. You were suppose to live in the area to go here except for students that were bused in. You were allowed to leave for lunch, since I lived only 5 blocks away, I went home for lunch on occasion, to watch All My Children. They sold food in the lunchroom but I never bought any. Maybe something to drink. There was no air conditioning in the classrooms, only in the offices. The classroom size was about 30-35 students. In 1971 we had moved out of the area but I stayed at Amundsen to finish my last two years. I talked my Dad into it and I was surprised he let me go there yet. In the winter I took the bus, in good weather I rode my bike to school. Amundsen found out that I moved but nothing ever became of it. In my senior year, a month before I graduated, my Dad let me drive my car to school. In those days, we were not allowed to drive cars to school by the schools orders so we had to park a few blocks away. I worked on Stage Crew for the vice principal and I was able to park in the parking lot because he used me to run errands for the school. I don't think that they was more than six of us at graduation that had our own cars. In my third and forth year of high school, I was in a work release program that let you out of school early every day to work at a job. I had no lunch or study periods those years.
In all Kchi, I had a great time in high school.
In all Kchi, I had a great time in high school.
Re: CPS 60s and prior
Posted by:
Kchi
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Date: December 04, 2013 12:06PM
What was a typical day like in grade school as to how much time was spent on reading, writing, spelling arithmetic etc. My local school grade school emphasizes that they have a "arts" program of art, music, plays etc. I've heard of other CPS schools listed as language academies. My personal opinion is that we have gotten away from the basics of what a grade school should be. It may be great if you can draw, play a instrument or speak a foreign language, but in my many years in the business world I have yet to see any of those skills prepare you for a everyday job. These types of activities should be reserved for the high school level.
Would also like to hear from anybody who have children or teach at a school currently to find out what subjects are currently being taught. One subject that would be beneficial would be financial literacy. Understanding the use or misuse of credit. How the stock and bond markets work. The importance of saving. Are we asking the schools to do too much and performinng the roles of parents?
Would also like to hear from anybody who have children or teach at a school currently to find out what subjects are currently being taught. One subject that would be beneficial would be financial literacy. Understanding the use or misuse of credit. How the stock and bond markets work. The importance of saving. Are we asking the schools to do too much and performinng the roles of parents?
Re: CPS 60s and prior
Posted by:
Brian J. Patterson
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Date: January 19, 2014 10:06AM
Hello, Kchi and all.
1. I am 49 years old, and have never lived in Chicago. I am, however an observer of many facets of history. My opinions and ten bucks will by a cup of coffee, but only if you buy it at McDonalds. However, here they are anyway.
2. Plantwise, (the buildings, etc) during the timeframe you mentioned, CPS was actually BETTER than the Chicago Parochial School System as a whole. Our Lady of the Angels was the most visible example of that disparity, however it wasn't the ONLY one. During the time frame you mentioned, CPS had a far more robust tax base, thus could remodel and replace buildings more easily than the Archdiocese.
3. You are also describing the time when the first big crest of the "baby-boom" was going to grade school. Class sizes were larger because there was only so much room, and so many places you could build new and larger schools.
4. The Parochial Schools also had a much larger participation rate (how many parishioners sent their kids to the parish school instead of CPS) than they do now. And, the tuition rates when compared to income weren't as cheap as you'd think, even with nuns teaching instead of lay-teachers. But, the parents of the day held the church in much higher regard much more uniformly than they do now. Thus, "sacrifices" were made to send the kids to the parish school then, and not as much now. To this day, you will find parish schools that are "healthy," because the parents insist on sending their kids, and all members of that parish insist on paying enough money to their parish to keep the schools running. In other cases, the schools "went away" because the money to support them also "went away." If the parishioners don't have, or won't give the money to run a school, that school will eventaully close, as is making the local news right now. If the parishioners GIVE the money, and send their kids, the school flourishes.
5. I suppose part of the "issues" you're asking about are just "signs of the times." In the 1960s, most schools in Illinois were not air-conditioned. But then again, most HOMES in Illinois weren't air-conditioned, either. They certainly didn't have central air. In the [u]1860s,[/u]
most schools and homes didn't have indoor plumbing or electricity, either. Try to build a school or house without lavatories or wiring now!
6. Schools were not normally operated in the summer time back then, either. School NEVER started in the first week of August, and almost never lasted beyond the first week of June. However; with "institute days," "snow day makeup," "Heather has two mommies," and so on, it's a wonder school EVER lets out. In fact, some parts of the country now run the regular school year on a twelve month basis. Thus, air conditioning is in even higher demand than it otherwise would be. Because of the time you mentioned attending grade school, I would guess that you attended your fair share of August matinee movies to beat the heat, when you weren't swimming, visiting Riverview, standing by hydrant-sprays, or whatever. Would YOU have wanted to be in a hot stifling room with 29 of your closest friends in August?
7. Class sizes could be larger "back then" because in most cases, the children came from two parent families with at least one of the parents actively raising and helping to educate their child(ren.) Students actually WERE more consistently raised not to cause trouble back then as well. In short, that 30 student class in 1963 was "managed" more easily than a 20 student class of today. This was paticularly true in the Parochial Schools, when there were still close to enough nuns available that lay-teachers were not needed, and you could invoke God's name without getting sued. But, if the teachers had 20 student classes, they would have been able to do a better job, even back then.
8. Many people prefer to drink bottled water instead of tap water, for various reasons. These same people insist that tap water not be "inflicted" upon their childeren at school. Thus, the bottled water delivery. Also, I didn't see the delivery you mentioned. The bottled water MAY have been for staff ONLY. Either way, the problem is the perceived safety and paletability of tap water. Improve the safety and paletability of the tap water, and the bottled water issue will go away. For that matter, do YOU drink Chicago Tap Water? If not, why not?
9. People generally DON'T want their kids walking home for lunch now. In some cases, the parent or parents are all working. In other cases, the parent(s) are frightened of what may happen to their children during this "extra" walk from and to school. Sadly, this fear is NOT without good reason. Thus, you have the school of today that is actually as secure as a minimum-security prison.
10. The schools are also being used as a "safety" valve to reduce malnutrition and starvation amongst the children of poor or irresponsible people. For whatever reason, breakfasts and lunches sufficient for nutrition AREN'T available at home, and the levels of government involved have decided to use the schools as the place to prepare and serve these meals. Even where the children have parents able to provide meals, many DON'T want their kids lugging around a sack of food or an easily stolen lunch box all morning, now. Thus, the schools are obliged to provide two hot meals per day for the vast majority of their students. And, when every corner possible is cut at least twice to reduce costs, and still others use clout to sell spoiled food as if it were fresh, you get food that is so unpalatable that only the hungriest children eat it. Thus, the phenomonon you HAVEN'T mentioned, the strangely full dumpsters behind said schools.
11. For the record, the school lunch "price" is means-tested. If your parents aren't "poor" enough to make the cut, you have to PAY for your lunch ticket instead of getting it for "free." Even in the parochial schools, if they accept the federal lunch subsidy, (and most do,) you give either "free" or "reduced" meal tickets to the students whose parents qualify. The rest pay "full-price," whatever that price may be. Yes, friends, there actually ARE some people in poverty who still manage to pay what scholarships don't, and send their kids to the parochial schools.
12. Having an "enriched" K-8 education is actually a GOOD thing, provided the basics are also taught as part of this. Thinking both creatively and logically is a far easier skill to cultivate at 7 than at 17. Teaching this "enriched" curriculam gets more difficult when you have 40 students, ten of whom don't speak English, twenty-five of whom see no reason to learn what you are teaching, and the last five are too scared of the first thirty-five to ask questions. And, forget about assigning homework. Many of the children have no place or means to do it anyway.
13. For the question you asked indirectly; how do we fix CPS as a whole? Here's my answer. Fix the society it serves, and most of the problems will go away. CPS isn't a monolith; it is a constellation of schools. If the neighborhood the school serves is stable and has a solid tax base, then the school in question should, and often does excel. CPS actually has some of the best public schools in the United States. CPS also has some of the worst and most dangerous schools in the United States, for staff and student alike, because the neighborhood the school serves is also cronically in peril. If I actually start listing examples of how to fix the underlying problems, this post will become very politically incorrect, very quickly. However, I will say this. Right now, a white man can NOT walk the streets of Inglewood or Garfield Park in safety. (In fact, NO ONE can do so.) Likewise, a gentleman of color finds some difficulty walking the streets of Edgewater in quiet contentment. When the causes of these problems are solved, and they are indeed many, then the problems of CPS will be solved as well.
14. For the record, my "small-town" grade school received air conditioning in 1975 when a long-overdue addition was built. My high school was replaced with an all new air-conditioned building in 1980. The previous building complex had window air conditioners for office personnel only. So, I attended K-12 in both non-air condidioned and air conditioned schools. This is the time frame when August to June schooling was coming into vogue as well. The grade school had a cafeteria from 1942 on. The "old" high school had no cafeteria. High schoolers wishing to eat a "school" lunch for whatever reason walked or biked to the grade school. (They may have drove as well, but they weren't supposed to because of parking.) The new high school had a cafeteria, as would be expected for a school built in 1980, and students were no longer allowed to leave campus to eat lunch.
Thanks.
Brian J. Patterson.
Kchi Wrote:
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> I would like to hear from some former CPS students
> who went to school in the 60s or prior. WHat
> interests me are what the conditions were. What
> brings this to mind is that I live near a school
> and just saw a delivery from Hinckley water and
> Rosen's bread. The stories I read in the papers
> is we don't spend enough, class sizes are too
> large and we need to provide hot meals or children
> can't learn. Also schools need to be air
> conditioned because it is too hot. I personnally
> went to a Catholic school who had no lunch hot or
> cold. You either went home, or brought a sandwich
> wrapped in waxed paper and a carton of milk bought
> at the local grocery. Class sizes were in the 30+
> range and no child was turned away.
>
> I find it hard to believe that students in the 60s
> or prior were given bottled water, small class
> sizes or hot meals. Were students allowed to go
> home for lunch? Was lunch provided free of charge
> or did you have to pay? Did anybody worry about
> the quality of the school or were you forced to go
> to the school nearest your home? ,
1. I am 49 years old, and have never lived in Chicago. I am, however an observer of many facets of history. My opinions and ten bucks will by a cup of coffee, but only if you buy it at McDonalds. However, here they are anyway.
2. Plantwise, (the buildings, etc) during the timeframe you mentioned, CPS was actually BETTER than the Chicago Parochial School System as a whole. Our Lady of the Angels was the most visible example of that disparity, however it wasn't the ONLY one. During the time frame you mentioned, CPS had a far more robust tax base, thus could remodel and replace buildings more easily than the Archdiocese.
3. You are also describing the time when the first big crest of the "baby-boom" was going to grade school. Class sizes were larger because there was only so much room, and so many places you could build new and larger schools.
4. The Parochial Schools also had a much larger participation rate (how many parishioners sent their kids to the parish school instead of CPS) than they do now. And, the tuition rates when compared to income weren't as cheap as you'd think, even with nuns teaching instead of lay-teachers. But, the parents of the day held the church in much higher regard much more uniformly than they do now. Thus, "sacrifices" were made to send the kids to the parish school then, and not as much now. To this day, you will find parish schools that are "healthy," because the parents insist on sending their kids, and all members of that parish insist on paying enough money to their parish to keep the schools running. In other cases, the schools "went away" because the money to support them also "went away." If the parishioners don't have, or won't give the money to run a school, that school will eventaully close, as is making the local news right now. If the parishioners GIVE the money, and send their kids, the school flourishes.
5. I suppose part of the "issues" you're asking about are just "signs of the times." In the 1960s, most schools in Illinois were not air-conditioned. But then again, most HOMES in Illinois weren't air-conditioned, either. They certainly didn't have central air. In the [u]1860s,[/u]
most schools and homes didn't have indoor plumbing or electricity, either. Try to build a school or house without lavatories or wiring now!
6. Schools were not normally operated in the summer time back then, either. School NEVER started in the first week of August, and almost never lasted beyond the first week of June. However; with "institute days," "snow day makeup," "Heather has two mommies," and so on, it's a wonder school EVER lets out. In fact, some parts of the country now run the regular school year on a twelve month basis. Thus, air conditioning is in even higher demand than it otherwise would be. Because of the time you mentioned attending grade school, I would guess that you attended your fair share of August matinee movies to beat the heat, when you weren't swimming, visiting Riverview, standing by hydrant-sprays, or whatever. Would YOU have wanted to be in a hot stifling room with 29 of your closest friends in August?
7. Class sizes could be larger "back then" because in most cases, the children came from two parent families with at least one of the parents actively raising and helping to educate their child(ren.) Students actually WERE more consistently raised not to cause trouble back then as well. In short, that 30 student class in 1963 was "managed" more easily than a 20 student class of today. This was paticularly true in the Parochial Schools, when there were still close to enough nuns available that lay-teachers were not needed, and you could invoke God's name without getting sued. But, if the teachers had 20 student classes, they would have been able to do a better job, even back then.
8. Many people prefer to drink bottled water instead of tap water, for various reasons. These same people insist that tap water not be "inflicted" upon their childeren at school. Thus, the bottled water delivery. Also, I didn't see the delivery you mentioned. The bottled water MAY have been for staff ONLY. Either way, the problem is the perceived safety and paletability of tap water. Improve the safety and paletability of the tap water, and the bottled water issue will go away. For that matter, do YOU drink Chicago Tap Water? If not, why not?
9. People generally DON'T want their kids walking home for lunch now. In some cases, the parent or parents are all working. In other cases, the parent(s) are frightened of what may happen to their children during this "extra" walk from and to school. Sadly, this fear is NOT without good reason. Thus, you have the school of today that is actually as secure as a minimum-security prison.
10. The schools are also being used as a "safety" valve to reduce malnutrition and starvation amongst the children of poor or irresponsible people. For whatever reason, breakfasts and lunches sufficient for nutrition AREN'T available at home, and the levels of government involved have decided to use the schools as the place to prepare and serve these meals. Even where the children have parents able to provide meals, many DON'T want their kids lugging around a sack of food or an easily stolen lunch box all morning, now. Thus, the schools are obliged to provide two hot meals per day for the vast majority of their students. And, when every corner possible is cut at least twice to reduce costs, and still others use clout to sell spoiled food as if it were fresh, you get food that is so unpalatable that only the hungriest children eat it. Thus, the phenomonon you HAVEN'T mentioned, the strangely full dumpsters behind said schools.
11. For the record, the school lunch "price" is means-tested. If your parents aren't "poor" enough to make the cut, you have to PAY for your lunch ticket instead of getting it for "free." Even in the parochial schools, if they accept the federal lunch subsidy, (and most do,) you give either "free" or "reduced" meal tickets to the students whose parents qualify. The rest pay "full-price," whatever that price may be. Yes, friends, there actually ARE some people in poverty who still manage to pay what scholarships don't, and send their kids to the parochial schools.
12. Having an "enriched" K-8 education is actually a GOOD thing, provided the basics are also taught as part of this. Thinking both creatively and logically is a far easier skill to cultivate at 7 than at 17. Teaching this "enriched" curriculam gets more difficult when you have 40 students, ten of whom don't speak English, twenty-five of whom see no reason to learn what you are teaching, and the last five are too scared of the first thirty-five to ask questions. And, forget about assigning homework. Many of the children have no place or means to do it anyway.
13. For the question you asked indirectly; how do we fix CPS as a whole? Here's my answer. Fix the society it serves, and most of the problems will go away. CPS isn't a monolith; it is a constellation of schools. If the neighborhood the school serves is stable and has a solid tax base, then the school in question should, and often does excel. CPS actually has some of the best public schools in the United States. CPS also has some of the worst and most dangerous schools in the United States, for staff and student alike, because the neighborhood the school serves is also cronically in peril. If I actually start listing examples of how to fix the underlying problems, this post will become very politically incorrect, very quickly. However, I will say this. Right now, a white man can NOT walk the streets of Inglewood or Garfield Park in safety. (In fact, NO ONE can do so.) Likewise, a gentleman of color finds some difficulty walking the streets of Edgewater in quiet contentment. When the causes of these problems are solved, and they are indeed many, then the problems of CPS will be solved as well.
14. For the record, my "small-town" grade school received air conditioning in 1975 when a long-overdue addition was built. My high school was replaced with an all new air-conditioned building in 1980. The previous building complex had window air conditioners for office personnel only. So, I attended K-12 in both non-air condidioned and air conditioned schools. This is the time frame when August to June schooling was coming into vogue as well. The grade school had a cafeteria from 1942 on. The "old" high school had no cafeteria. High schoolers wishing to eat a "school" lunch for whatever reason walked or biked to the grade school. (They may have drove as well, but they weren't supposed to because of parking.) The new high school had a cafeteria, as would be expected for a school built in 1980, and students were no longer allowed to leave campus to eat lunch.
Thanks.
Brian J. Patterson.
Kchi Wrote:
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> I would like to hear from some former CPS students
> who went to school in the 60s or prior. WHat
> interests me are what the conditions were. What
> brings this to mind is that I live near a school
> and just saw a delivery from Hinckley water and
> Rosen's bread. The stories I read in the papers
> is we don't spend enough, class sizes are too
> large and we need to provide hot meals or children
> can't learn. Also schools need to be air
> conditioned because it is too hot. I personnally
> went to a Catholic school who had no lunch hot or
> cold. You either went home, or brought a sandwich
> wrapped in waxed paper and a carton of milk bought
> at the local grocery. Class sizes were in the 30+
> range and no child was turned away.
>
> I find it hard to believe that students in the 60s
> or prior were given bottled water, small class
> sizes or hot meals. Were students allowed to go
> home for lunch? Was lunch provided free of charge
> or did you have to pay? Did anybody worry about
> the quality of the school or were you forced to go
> to the school nearest your home? ,
Re: CPS 60s and prior
Posted by:
Mornac
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Date: January 20, 2014 12:50PM
Splendid insight Brian - thanks for that. I went to Catholic school in the 60's and 70's. At the time, CPS was deteriorating and in my neighborhood it was something of a stigma to attend one. However, there were those older than me who spoke well of the glory days of the public school system and said that the only thing that a Catholic didn't get by attending one was catechesis. It's local legend that Senn High School in my neighborhood was ranked one of the top ten high schools in the United States back in the 20's
Re: CPS 60s and prior
Posted by:
the_mogra
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Date: April 10, 2015 05:28PM
i graduated grammar school in 1965, Lowell on hirsh st in humboldt pk neighborhood. i remember returning to school ofter summer vacation in sept '61 and sitting down in our classrooms and looking up, to see all these pipes now up there near the ceilings. not a word of explanation was ever said, but after the tragic 1958 OLA school fire these old buildings now had to have sprinkler systems installed.
i warmly remember being dismissed every wednesday at 2:15pm to walk to parochial or 'cathechism' classes a few blocks away. I had done this since 2nd grade at Cameron school, and the percentage of students who participated in this was 25% or less. some CPS teachers visibly disliked this practice
i warmly remember being dismissed every wednesday at 2:15pm to walk to parochial or 'cathechism' classes a few blocks away. I had done this since 2nd grade at Cameron school, and the percentage of students who participated in this was 25% or less. some CPS teachers visibly disliked this practice
Re: CPS 60s and prior
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Date: April 13, 2015 01:31PM
Graduated from Mt Vernon Elementary at 105th & Morgan in 1972. We had a branch, Dunne, that served K-4 on the east side of Halsted Street...but our building couldn't handle the incoming 5th graders, so they had to expand Dunne to K-8. Still, in my class, there were 8 classrooms of about 40 kids each. There were so many kids in school that we did not just have mobile units, we had an entire 8-classroom temporary building that housed our 1st and 2nd graders.
I lived 5 blocks from school, so I did not walk home for lunch in the winter. We ate in the auditorium, as the cafeterias had been taken over by classrooms. No milk was available, even for purchase. Our school day was 9AM to noon - lunch until 1PM, then class until 3:15. No air conditioning, except for open windows.
Went on to Fenger High School until 1976 - 8 mobile units in the quad, where English was taught, so everyone would feel the pain. Again, so many students that most freshmen were at branches, either Curtis or West Pullman. Once we got to the main campus, we ran a split shift for at least one year; about 7A to 2P and 9A to 4P. My freshman class was about 1,400 students. 833 graduated on time. We did have cafeteria service...milk was available for purchase at 4 cents.
I feel I received a good education in CPS. There were Advance Placement courses available to challenge those who would make the effort; there was, to my knowledge, no "dumbing down" of the work. Who's to say, though, how well we really did? There were few system- (state-, federal-) wide tests, which are ever-present now, to evaluate our performance. There was, however, a hand to the back-side if we failed to bring home "E"s and "G"'s.
Enjoy your day.
I lived 5 blocks from school, so I did not walk home for lunch in the winter. We ate in the auditorium, as the cafeterias had been taken over by classrooms. No milk was available, even for purchase. Our school day was 9AM to noon - lunch until 1PM, then class until 3:15. No air conditioning, except for open windows.
Went on to Fenger High School until 1976 - 8 mobile units in the quad, where English was taught, so everyone would feel the pain. Again, so many students that most freshmen were at branches, either Curtis or West Pullman. Once we got to the main campus, we ran a split shift for at least one year; about 7A to 2P and 9A to 4P. My freshman class was about 1,400 students. 833 graduated on time. We did have cafeteria service...milk was available for purchase at 4 cents.
I feel I received a good education in CPS. There were Advance Placement courses available to challenge those who would make the effort; there was, to my knowledge, no "dumbing down" of the work. Who's to say, though, how well we really did? There were few system- (state-, federal-) wide tests, which are ever-present now, to evaluate our performance. There was, however, a hand to the back-side if we failed to bring home "E"s and "G"'s.
Enjoy your day.
Re: CPS 60s and prior
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Date: April 20, 2015 01:50AM
I attended John Peter Altgeld Elementary School in West Engelwood and graduated 8th grade in 1963. There was no lunchroom and students had to leave the building during lunch. We were expected to return home to eat. There was no such thing as breakfasts in school, but we did receive a carton of milk for which we paid something. We had our "milk money." There was no air conditioning and the school was old and a bit worn. Bottled water as we think of it today didn't exist, then. We drank from the water fountains. But, we were not worse for the wear. Teachers were good and competent. The school was well-run, I learned later.
Re: CPS 60s and prior
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Date: April 20, 2015 02:30AM
St. Denis on the southwest side was home to over 1,000+ grammar school students from 1955 onward. The class sizes were enormous, there were even double shifts in order to make use of the classrooms from 730am to 130 and 130 to 5 or something close to that. There were Classrooms in the basement, my fourth grade class was in the basement with the Go Go White Sox 1959. Lunchroom was the basement, no gym, Walk home for lunch. Pretty good education, maybe it would have been more depth if there weren't 60+ kids in every class, no kidding there.
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Date: January 16, 2016 03:23AM
I also attended St. Denis in 1954 and walked to school from where I lived at 81st and Hamlin. There was no air-con and being in the first 8th grade class with fantastic nuns like sister Una and good priests like Father Riley, Father Doyle and Father Bowman. No air con-walked home for lunch and came to school on Saturdays and helped the sisters sweep the hallways and was a patrol boy. Who could ask for more.
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