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even more "Goldstein" 1963
Posted by: captain54 (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: March 19, 2010 10:05PM

even more "Goldstein"...vintage 1963 Chicago

now demolished building at Fulton and Canal..looking west on Fulton...across from old Braun Bottle plant..I'm taking a guess here

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/4446004239/" title="Fulton and Canal 1963 by captain54_01, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4058/4446004239_0c83a14d0b_o.jpg" width="1015" height="657" alt="Fulton and Canal 1963" /></a>

approximately Rush and Delaware, looking north on Rush...this would have been taken in front of the old Maryland Hotel, which is now condo....the Bragno Wine shop in the background is now Urban Outfitters

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/4446781874/" title="rush and delware 63 by captain54_01, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2741/4446781874_19d271a83b_o.jpg" width="795" height="604" alt="rush and delware 63" /></a>


approximately 1030 N Rush...view of old Carnegie Theatre sign in background...now Hugo's Frog Bar and Gibson's...

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/4446012385/" title="1030 N Rush 1963 by captain54_01, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2785/4446012385_97e81003e3_o.jpg" width="787" height="565" alt="1030 N Rush 1963" /></a>

I think this is a bit of trick photography...the Webster (then the Webster Hotel) at 2150 N Lincoln Park West is in the foreground, and the Palmolive Building and beacon, 919 N Michigan in background.

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/4446015351/" title="Webster Hotel Palmolive Building 1963 by captain54_01, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2733/4446015351_02d290924d_o.jpg" width="784" height="559" alt="Webster Hotel Palmolive Building 1963" /></a>

I'll try to show some "now" views when I can...

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Re: even more "Goldstein" 1963
Posted by: WayOutWardell (63.226.79.---)
Date: March 21, 2010 04:55PM

Partially visible in the photo above the sign the Bragno Wine Shop is Universal Recording Studio - tons of great songs recorded there.



That building was also Hamburger Hamlet for a while.

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Re: even more "Goldstein" 1963
Posted by: captain54 (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: March 21, 2010 05:58PM

according to this view (probably early 50's judging from the autos in the pic), there was a completely different structure on the NE corner of Rush and Walton prior to Urban Outfitters/Hamburger Hamlet/Universal/Bragno


<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/4451096049/" title="Rush Street at Night - Chicago, Illinois by captain54_01, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4051/4451096049_f0c03a18ba_o.jpg" width="622" height="408" alt="Rush Street at Night - Chicago, Illinois" /></a>

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Re: even more "Goldstein" 1963
Posted by: WayOutWardell (---.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net)
Date: March 22, 2010 11:00AM

Wow, interesting! I looked into it; the Cook County Assessor has the Urban Outfitters building showing up in around 1954 (right around the time Universal recorded the Chess Records rock-n-roll singles), and in the 1952 aerial view the turrets and bays of the old building can be clearly seen.

How is 'Goldstein', anyway? It looks like it has a lot of interesting people like Del Close and Severn Darden.

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Re: even more "Goldstein" 1963
Posted by: captain54 (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: March 22, 2010 08:01PM

WayOutWardell Wrote:
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> Wow, interesting! I looked into it; the Cook
> County Assessor has the Urban Outfitters building
> showing up in around 1954 (right around the time
> Universal recorded the Chess Records rock-n-roll
> singles), and in the 1952 aerial view the turrets
> and bays of the old building can be clearly seen.
>
>
> How is 'Goldstein', anyway? It looks like it has
> a lot of interesting people like Del Close and
> Severn Darden.

also note in the early 50's Rush/Walton pix, "Banquet on a Bun" on the right and the "Isbell's" neon marquee with the dinging animated "bells" at the top of the sign. I read somewhere there was another Isbell's on Diversey back in the day.

When I first started watching "Goldstein", I had no idea what the heck was going on. I watched it a bit more to go thru the locations and I finally got what the director was shooting for. The premise is a bit far fetched. It is interesting to see the early Second City people. I saw a post online on another board of a woman who had a small speaking part, when she was a waitress at the Gaslight Club..She said the script was all improvisation. There's also a weird cameo of Nelson Algren doing a stream of consciousness monologue.

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Re: even more "Goldstein" 1963
Posted by: backwardk4501 (208.102.88.---)
Date: March 30, 2010 05:43PM

I just went to FuzzyMemories.TV (I'm sure most here have been to that site)and found a LOOP FM 98 Commercial. It shows a short, and I mean short, clip of this section of street...in front of the Banquet On A Bun.


Is this the same Banquet on a Bun? The sign in the background to the left I can only see the letters 'CES", so it is not the ISBELLS sign I am seeing (maybe a name change at some point)...but that sign in the background looks like the Carnegie sign with that same angle on top...or maybe I just think it does.

I had the video posted, but it went straight to video, without you having to click start....I figured most would not want that. So if your intersted, check it out.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/30/2010 06:33PM by backwardk4501.

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Re: even more "Goldstein" 1963
Posted by: captain54 (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: March 30, 2010 07:42PM

I'm not sure where you are seeing CES in the color picture. The marquee says "ISBELL'S".... In the black and white "Goldstein" picture, there are a few letters missing, and apparently only the "ISBE.." is lit up, so maybe that's what you're referring to. Marion Isbell was a wealthy Chicago restauranteur, who founded Ramada Inn.

This view looks south at the intersection of Walton and Rush. Note the "Isbell" sign. Near the very top of the pix there is "Tony's Cell-R", 909 N Rush, and then a couple of doors north you can faintly see "Banquet on a Bun"

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/4477546410/" title="chicago rush street, walton and rush, late 50's by captain54_01, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4052/4477546410_e37f092e4e_o.jpg" width="322" height="420" alt="chicago rush street, walton and rush, late 50's" /></a>

I believe there were a few "Banquet on a Bun's". Apparently it was a cheap burger place, with a number scattered throughout the city.

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Re: even more "Goldstein" 1963
Posted by: backwardk4501 (208.102.88.---)
Date: March 31, 2010 01:12AM

captain54 Wrote:
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> I'm not sure where you are seeing CES in the color
> picture. The marquee says "ISBELL'S".... In the
> black and white "Goldstein" picture, there are a
> few letters missing, and apparently only the
> "ISBE.." is lit up, so maybe that's what you're
> referring to. Marion Isbell was a wealthy Chicago
> restauranteur, who founded Ramada Inn.
>
> This view looks south at the intersection of
> Walton and Rush. Note the "Isbell" sign. Near the
> very top of the pix there is "Tony's Cell-R", 909
> N Rush, and then a couple of doors north you can
> faintly see "Banquet on a Bun"
>
>
>
> I believe there were a few "Banquet on a Bun's".
> Apparently it was a cheap burger place, with a
> number scattered throughout the city.

captain54...I am sorry for the confusion, but I was referring to the video I found on FuzzyMemories.TV...the site on old Chicagoland commercials. It was on a April 21st, 1981 Loop FM98 Commercial, there is a brief, and I mean brief shot of some guys in front of Banquet On A Bun with what looks to be the Carnegie in the far background, but what would be ISBELLS, the letters on the sign that I see are definitely "CES"...at least that is the only letters that are visible.

Let me know if you want me to post the video or send it to you directly. The problem with the video when I tried posting it was that it was going straight to play and soon as the thread was opened.....I can send it you way, or maybe you know of a way it can be posted....or better yet, just a frame shot at 9-11 seconds.



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Re: even more "Goldstein" 1963
Posted by: captain54 (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: March 31, 2010 03:55AM

The "CES" you see off in the background and over the guy with the keyboard's head is the marquee of "FACES" disco/nightclub @ 940 N Rush. Chicago's equivalent to NYC's Studio 54, back in the disco days.

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/4477846401/" title="Loop 98 Promo Rush street 1981 by captain54_01, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2781/4477846401_3be2333789_o.jpg" width="1024" height="768" alt="Loop 98 Promo Rush street 1981" /></a>

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Re: even more "Goldstein" 1963
Posted by: backwardk4501 (208.102.88.---)
Date: March 31, 2010 01:54PM

Thank you for clearing that up. I knew someone would have the answer.

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Re: even more "Goldstein" 1963
Posted by: WayOutWardell (63.226.79.---)
Date: March 31, 2010 04:48PM

Wow, so Banquet On A Bun was around a long time.

Anyone know what the place was with the hanging'B/G' and the crowd of people in front of it? It looks to be on the corner of Rush and Oak in the b&w photo.

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Re: even more "Goldstein" 1963
Posted by: captain54 (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: April 01, 2010 02:22AM

I believe that's the 25 E Oak building, formerly Barney's...and it's part of the Oak Street fashion strip and from what I can remember B/G was a high end fashion/clothing store.

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Posted by: WayOutWardell (---.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net)
Date: April 18, 2010 01:26AM

Here's a scan of a Universal Recording tape box. The tape itself is nothing special (an ad for United Airlines) but I think the box is outstanding - sure beats the ones 3M used to use, at least.




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Re: even more "Goldstein" 1963
Posted by: captain54 (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: April 21, 2010 03:37PM

very cool and indeed outstanding graphic on the Universal tape box.

I stand corrected on the "B/G" info from a previous post. Here's some info from "Cinema Treasures"

"B&G was a 24 hour diner type restaurant. It had multiple booths that looked out of windows facing the Oak Street Side, and one that faced the Rush Street side. It later became The Oak Tree restaurant. Both served the Rush St. night life crowd on a continual basis.
There was one regular, rather surly waitress that worked at B&G. Notorious for just throwing your plates on the table."

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Posted by: WayOutWardell (---.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net)
Date: April 21, 2010 04:05PM

Excellent find regarding B/G! Over the weekend I came across a photo of a now-gone building at 53rd and Lake Park which had another B/G; the photo was hanging on a wall and I couldn't get close enough to see any more detail. Thanks again!

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Re: even more "Goldstein" 1963
Posted by: captain54 (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: April 21, 2010 07:16PM

Other info gathered from "Cinema Treasures" is a reference to the "Singapore" neon marquee, on the east side of Rush, a few doors north of Oak. Very prominent in the pix I posted 3/30/10, apparently had animated monkeys lit up to simulate climbing up the sign!

here is a clip from "Nightbeat"..the late nite WGN newscast circa 1980..the opening footage are some montages of various Chicago scenes, probably from the early 70's

although hard to see the animation, there is a brief shot of the Singapore marquee, (about :26)..and conincidentally, a shot of the Singapore marquee and the B/G sign (about :32)

<embed src='http://www.fuzzymemories.tv/flvplayer.swf' width='448' height='356' type='application/x-shockwave-flash' pluginspage='http://www.macromedia.com/go/getflashplayer' allowfullscreen='true' flashvars="file=http://www.fuzzymemories.tv/v/wgn-nightbeat-opening-1980.flv&image=http://www.fuzzymemories.tv/splashSR.png&showicons=false&autostart=true"></embed>



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Re: even more "Goldstein" 1963
Posted by: WayOutWardell (---.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net)
Date: April 22, 2010 02:20AM

Wow, that's great footage!

The Gino's Pizzeria sign whizzes by at :29, then at :30 the Punchinello's sign, and at :42 it looks like Tony's *something* A-Go-Go...changed from Tony's Cellar, perhaps?

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Re: even more "Goldstein" 1963
Posted by: tomcat630 (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: April 24, 2010 12:05AM

That 'trick photography' pic with the Playboy blg is looking southeast, I think it's legit.

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Re: even more "Goldstein" 1963
Posted by: captain54 (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: April 24, 2010 01:40AM

tomcat630 Wrote:
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> That 'trick photography' pic with the Playboy blg
> is looking southeast, I think it's legit.

I've revisited that picture a number of times and I think
you may be right...I can't quite put my finger though, on
what building north and somewhat west of 2150 LPWest would
have given the photographer that perspective.

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Posted by: captain54 (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: April 24, 2010 02:21AM

WayOutWardell Wrote:
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> Wow, that's great footage!
>
> The Gino's Pizzeria sign whizzes by at :29, then
> at :30 the Punchinello's sign, and at :42 it looks
> like Tony's *something* A-Go-Go...changed from
> Tony's Cellar, perhaps?

Tony's Cellar would have been a few doors north of Rush and Delaware,
with The Happy Medium being on the NE corner of Rush and Delaware. Tony's
Cellar was a few doors south of Banquet on a Bun. Actually, the guys in
the "Loop" pix from 81' would have been standing in front of or near
the Tony's Cellar if it was around in 81'

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/4547440386/" title="Rush and Delaware, early 70's by captain54_01, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4012/4547440386_5e26cc4a97_o.jpg" width="240" height="158" alt="Rush and Delaware, early 70's" /></a>

Tony's a Go Go would have been somewhere between Chestnut and Delaware
on the East side of Rush.

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/4546810223/" title="Rush near Chestnut, 1967 by captain54_01, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4045/4546810223_3854453b29_o.jpg" width="240" height="180" alt="Rush near Chestnut, 1967" /></a>

I do know that the film "Grasshopper" on the Chicago Theater
marquee @ :16 was released in 1970, but I'm not really sure what
the "Tony's" sign is @:42

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Re: even more "Goldstein" 1963
Posted by: WayOutWardell (---.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net)
Date: April 25, 2010 06:41PM

Now that's a lot of neon!

Joe Segal has old showbills of Jazz Showcase nights at the Happy Medium hanging on the walls at the Dearborn Station location. The Rovin' Kind, the band on the marquee at the Whiskey, at one point had Peter Cetera in its ranks in a prior line-up.

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Posted by: captain54 (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: April 26, 2010 12:38AM

WayOutWardell Wrote:
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> Now that's a lot of neon!
>
> Joe Segal has old showbills of Jazz Showcase
> nights at the Happy Medium hanging on the walls at
> the Dearborn Station location. The Rovin' Kind,
> the band on the marquee at the Whiskey, at one
> point had Peter Cetera in its ranks in a prior
> line-up.
@
how about more neon? @:49 and 1:58 you get a very brief shot of the Happy Medium and then there's good old "banquet on a bun" @:51

<object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/-4Ky0OGTJm4&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/-4Ky0OGTJm4&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>



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Re: even more "Goldstein" 1963
Posted by: WayOutWardell (63.226.79.---)
Date: April 27, 2010 06:37PM

All those signs must have kept White Way in the black for a long time!

Great footage; it's actually called Singapore Pit? That's far more sinister...

Pretty neat to see Milt Trenier's name on the Scotch Mist marquee...I backed him a couple of times in the past and he has incredible stories. The next time I see him I'll see if he remembers that particular engagement.

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Posted by: captain54 (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: April 27, 2010 09:13PM

there's an HD version of that footage on youtube that has a bit more detail.

there's a place with the address "426" @ :42, which leads me to believe some of the joints weren't necessarily in and around Rush Street. There's no address corresponding to "426" in that area, to the best of my knowledge.

However, I think some of those places could have been east of state/rush....I saw an address "6 East"...looking at that area now, its hard to imagine.

I remember the original Milt Trenier's near LSD and Ohio. What a fascinating guy he must be.



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Posted by: shoreline (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: April 28, 2010 12:42AM

captain54 Wrote:
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> there's a place with the address "426" @ :42,
> which leads me to believe some of the joints
> weren't necessarily in and around Rush Street.
> There's no address corresponding to "426" in that
> area, to the best of my knowledge.
>
Amazing Rush St pics. This is just speculation, but there was a great deal of X rated activity on Clark north of the river back in the 60s. In addition, the arcades shown were reminiscent of the businesses that lined S State prior to gentrification.
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Posted by: captain54 (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: April 28, 2010 01:14AM

I believe Dearborn and Clark north of the river were pretty darn seedy...you can still see some of the remnants of that era on Hubbard between LaSalle and Dearborn..

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Re: even more "Goldstein" 1963
Posted by: WayOutWardell (---.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net)
Date: April 28, 2010 03:27AM

Imagine how 'connected' those burlesque houses must have been; the elder Daley obviously couldn't or wouldn't close them down...

There are a few photos from the Cushman archive of Rush St. from around 1966. I was surprised to see that the Burger-Ville building is still around.

[url=http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P15388.jpg]977 N. Rush (Universal Recording visible at right)[/url]

[url=http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P15389.jpg]Rush & Oak[/url]

[url=http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P15390.jpg]State, Cedar & Rush[/url]

[url=http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P15365.jpg]Whisky-A-Go-Go[/url]
I can't imagine why a band called 'Beef-Trust' never made it bigger than the Beatles...

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Re: even more "Goldstein" 1963
Posted by: captain54 (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: April 28, 2010 04:20AM

WayOutWardell Wrote:
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> Imagine how 'connected' those burlesque houses
> must have been; the elder Daley obviously couldn't
> or wouldn't close them down...

I know for a fact "Bourbon Street" was mob connected, and probably many more

I would imagine the reason a lot of those places stayed open for so long was because it was probably very profitable for all levels of government, police, ward bosses, Cook County Sheriff's Dept, to look the other way in terms of all the vice, gambling, etc. that was going on.

and of course, a lot of old timers will tell you that Rush street wasn't always seedy, that is was once the city's legitimate Cabaret/Nightclub strip,

more cushman postcard pix:

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/4560078106/" title="POSTCARD - CHICAGO - RUSH STREET - SPLIT TWO IMAGES - CABARET - MR KELLY'S - NICE - 1963 by captain54_01, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3597/4560078106_10985797aa_o.jpg" width="400" height="250" alt="POSTCARD - CHICAGO - RUSH STREET - SPLIT TWO IMAGES - CABARET - MR KELLY'S - NICE - 1963" /></a>

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/4559452955/" title="SINGAPORE STEAK AND CHOP HOUSE - 1011 NORTH RUSH - 2 MAGES - NICE - c1960 by captain54_01, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3298/4559452955_5b1fe33b45_o.jpg" width="400" height="256" alt="SINGAPORE STEAK AND CHOP HOUSE - 1011 NORTH RUSH - 2 MAGES - NICE - c1960" /></a>



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Posted by: FranCarmen (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: April 29, 2010 02:38PM

This, via Lee Bey's [url=http://blogs.vocalo.org/bey/2010/04/a-chicago-icon-marina-city-in-photos/21597]blog[/url], [url=http://www.marinacityonline.com/history/first_movies.htm]site[/url] has some very clear stills from the movie, but even more info about Marina City

http://francesarcher.com

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Re: even more "Goldstein" 1963
Posted by: tomcat630 (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: April 30, 2010 03:14AM

My aprents went to Mr. Kelly's in 1960 and saw Bob Newhart when he was starting ouit in stand up.

One other thing is Chicago didn't have as many high rises along lakefront until the late 60's, the old Rush St pics have a more neighborhood feel. Now, it's like Manhatten.

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