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more "Goldstein" Canal and Lake, 1963
Posted by: captain54 (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: March 19, 2010 05:37AM

More screenshots from "Goldstein"...filmed in Chicago, 1963

View from about 212 N Canal looking SE...RR tracks crossing Canal currently nowhere to be found, and Texaco station (sign to far right of pix), now long gone, under the Lake Street "L" at Canal and Lake

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/4444425265/" title="Canal and Lake Goldstein1963 by captain54_01, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4010/4444425265_5cdd39486e_o.jpg" width="781" height="539" alt="Canal and Lake Goldstein1963" /></a>

View directly east near the old Braun Bottle plant, at the intersection of Fulton and Canal, with Marina Towers as the primary structure in the distance...

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/4444426145/" title="Canal and Lake 2 Goldstein 1963 by captain54_01, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4041/4444426145_a606b87a78_o.jpg" width="793" height="532" alt="Canal and Lake 2 Goldstein 1963" /></a>

Current view east from Fulton and Canal...Marina Towers dwarfed by many structures in current view

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/4445195028/" title="Canal and Lake 2 current view by captain54_01, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2789/4445195028_372de6b0ab_o.jpg" width="1024" height="768" alt="Canal and Lake 2 current view" /></a>



Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 03/19/2010 01:53PM by captain54.

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Re: more "Goldstein" Canal and Lake, 1963
Posted by: daveg (130.36.62.---)
Date: March 19, 2010 11:44AM

Very nice then and now pictures.

Thanks

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Re: more "Goldstein" Canal and Lake, 1963
Posted by: bwalsh (---.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net)
Date: March 19, 2010 10:50PM

Just to show you how much my own perception of the city and its buildings have changed - in that second to last picture, I was looking at all the smaller buildings trying to figure out where Marina Towers were! Not realizing that there they are - the focal point towering over eveything else. I'm so used to them now, being dwarfed by all the others. And to think I was up on the roof of the Towers - the observation deck, when they first opened.

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Re: more "Goldstein" Canal and Lake, 1963
Posted by: 222psm (---.br.br.cox.net)
Date: March 20, 2010 12:50PM

Historic aerials shows that the tracks ran right next to this building

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What it was, who knows. But by 1963 it was clearly not in use anymore because of the parked car on the tracks!

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Re: more "Goldstein" Canal and Lake, 1963
Posted by: shoreline (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: March 20, 2010 03:23PM

Great work on all the skyline pics. I had almost the identical take on the photo as bwalsh in finding Marina Towers lost in the crowd. I imagine that more than a couple of members out here had to the opportunity to visit the Prudential Bldg observation deck ( The Top of the Rock) after the structure was built in the 50s over IC air rights. About 45 stories in height it was tallest in the city. The views from that vantage point were incredible, we could see all the way out to the gas holding tank near my north side home.

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Re: more "Goldstein" Canal and Lake, 1963
Posted by: captain54 (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: March 21, 2010 12:50AM

shoreline Wrote:
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I had almost the identical take on the photo as bwalsh in
finding Marina Towers lost in the crowd.

Here's a few taken on the eve of 3/20/10...sorry about the focus, was taken from a passing car. The green lights are the "observation deck"

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/4448864295/" title="skyline fulton and canal 3 20 10 by captain54_01, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4025/4448864295_4d61634fc7_b.jpg" width="1024" height="768" alt="skyline fulton and canal 3 20 10" /></a>

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Re: more "Goldstein" Canal and Lake, 1963
Posted by: captain54 (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: March 21, 2010 12:57AM

222psm Wrote:
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> Historic aerials shows that the tracks ran right
> next to this building

there was actually another building on the site of that parking lot on the SW corner of Fulton and Canal...the side of that building is shown in another one of my "Goldstein" posts...my thought is that the RR tracks ran across Canal and ran next to THAT building and somehow continued westbound on Fulton

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Re: more "Goldstein" Canal and Lake, 1963
Posted by: JBK (---.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net)
Date: March 21, 2010 03:07AM

Hi:

Re: The top photo with the guy and the cars. I noticed at the top the old classic CTA train still be used in those days. I remember riding on one once. It was creaking, rattling and screeching... The old style hand holds and teardrop lightbulbs.. I hope they kept some for a museum, etc... About the cars. Sturdy weren't they? In my perfect world, they'd be sturdy again plus smart and green [non-polluting]

The next photo with the Marina City towers...The photo was obviously taken before Channel 7 put their tv transmitter antenna on top of one of them.

I had an interesting pipedream once that had exact dupicates of the Marina Towers --in downtown San Francisco...

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Re: more "Goldstein" Canal and Lake, 1963
Posted by: 222psm (---.br.br.cox.net)
Date: March 21, 2010 05:10PM

captain54 Wrote:
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> 222psm Wrote:
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> -----
> > Historic aerials shows that the tracks ran
> right
> > next to this building
>
> there was actually another building on the site of
> that parking lot on the SW corner of Fulton and
> Canal...the side of that building is shown in
> another one of my "Goldstein" posts...my thought
> is that the RR tracks ran across Canal and ran
> next to THAT building and somehow continued
> westbound on Fulton

My bad, your right captain that building disappeared after 1973.

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Re: more "Goldstein" Canal and Lake, 1963
Posted by: captain54 (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: March 21, 2010 05:37PM

Safe to say, that corner has been completely reconstructed and isn't even close to resembling anything in the 63' view. Plus, no way would a car parked on even abandoned tracks and partially blocking the street be safe from the CPD tow brigade these days.

Those RR tracks probably weren't in use in 63', but my guess is that at some point they ran partially westbound down Fulton, and snaked due NW behind the Braun Bottling plant.

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Re: more "Goldstein" Canal and Lake, 1963
Posted by: captain54 (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: March 29, 2010 09:37PM

Here's the exact opposite view...looking west from Marina Towers...1975

this view is from the opening credits of the film "Cooley High"...

you can see the white 6 story building on the SW corner of Fulton and Canal is still intact, as is the Braun Bottling Plant on the NW corner.

also, if you look really closely, you'll see tracks above and directly west of the Braun Bottling Plant. There's a thin brown or tan image there thats obviously a locomotive. Directly west of that, is the building that was at approximately 550 W Fulton, that was built at an angle to accomodate Milwaukee Ave (now dismantled south of Kinzie).. this picture was taken in 75', and although you can't see it, Milwaukee Ave between Fulton and Kinzie would have been up and running.

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/4474134933/" title="View West from Marina Towers 1975 by captain54_01, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2703/4474134933_6461636e67_o.jpg" width="944" height="604" alt="View West from Marina Towers 1975" /></a>

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Re: more "Goldstein" Canal and Lake, 1963
Posted by: 222psm (---.br.br.cox.net)
Date: March 30, 2010 10:33AM

I wonder if the track ran into that 6 story building, it looks like a large door on the lower right hand side. Or if it curved to the Braun Bottling Plant. But from that view it's too hard to tell. Thanks captain for posting that opposite view.

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Re: more "Goldstein" Canal and Lake, 1963
Posted by: captain54 (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: March 30, 2010 01:26PM

Good call, I think you're right. It looks like a pretty narrow opening, so maybe it was some kind of skip loader/transport car, similiar to what was run underground back in the day to transport materials throughout the Loop.

In the first "Goldstein" picture there's a Buick parked across what looks like a short "street", so that was probably the entryway to that opening of the building

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Posted by: davey7 (---.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net)
Date: April 02, 2010 08:22PM

Are those actually el cars in the shot of the lake street el or North Shore Line cars? I can't quite tell, but there don't appear to be enough doors for it to be the el.

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Re: more "Goldstein" Canal and Lake, 1963
Posted by: captain54 (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: April 03, 2010 02:27AM

From what I could dig up, the North Shore Line stopped running the interuban line early in 1963. I believe Goldstein was filmed sometime in mid 63'

Also, it's quite possible those "L" cars in the Goldstein pic are the old 4000 series. Built in the 20's and in service into the 70's. 1964 was the first year the new alpine white and mint air conditioned cars were used.

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/4485396961/" title="CTA4000 &quot;L&quot; cars...used for 50 years by captain54_01, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2678/4485396961_9b47fa8001_o.jpg" width="353" height="235" alt="CTA4000 &quot;L&quot; cars...used for 50 years" /></a>

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Re: more "Goldstein" Canal and Lake, 1963
Posted by: 222psm (---.br.br.cox.net)
Date: April 03, 2010 12:12PM

I remember those old cars, my mom used to take us to a doctors' office on the west side of Broadway, north of Montrose and those old cars were stored on the L behind the building. The old Lakewood tracks still were in place along Graceland Cemetery.
I'm almost sure the Lakewood bridge was still in place over Montrose, but in not 100% sure. Does any body know when the bridge was removed?

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Posted by: shekaago (---.sub-75-211-65.myvzw.com)
Date: January 17, 2011 04:41PM

Here are a few things I found on that old Lakewood bridge over Montrose, 222psm. I know this is way off topic but wanted to try to answer at least a part of your question as I love this kind of rail history stuff.

The old Lakewood track right-of-way between the eastern wall of Graceland Cemetery and the CTA Red Line tracks and on the south side of Montrose is now Challenger Park inside of which is a nice little dog park.

[url=http://www.chicagoparkdistrict.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/parks.detail/object_id/6778979E-BE0B-487D-BDE9-4F6DD8AB7DC9.cfm]Challenger Park[/url]

And here is a Google Map/Earth view you can pan around to see a fairly recent image of the remnant of the track and bridge on the north side of Montrose

[url=http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&q=1047+W.+Montrose+Map+Chicago&cp=28&wrapid=tljp1295291203015046&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=1047+W+Montrose+Ave,+Chicago,+IL+60640&gl=us&ei=BZQ0TZTBNIaasAPogcWBBg&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=image&resnum=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBQQ8gEwAA&iwloc=undefined]1047 W. Montrose[/url].

And an image from 1989 of the remnant of track just north of the bridge over Montrose taken by Genial23 on Flickr. Note the same red brick building still in existence on the west side of that track remnant.

[url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/genial23/2048971764/in/photostream/]Genial23 Flickr Image[/url]

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Re: more "Goldstein" Canal and Lake, 1963
Posted by: 222psm (---.br.br.cox.net)
Date: January 18, 2011 11:16AM

Thank you so much! Can't explain it, but I just love Chicago rail history.

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Posted by: Jazzman (---.bankofamerica.com)
Date: June 08, 2011 08:39PM

About the actual Bridge over Montrose --- from... Chicago L .org

[i]The through girder bridge with ballasted deck that carried the freight lead over Montrose Avenue was removed on September 26, 1998. The Chicago Department of Transportation removed it as part of an improvement project on Montrose. The bridge itself was preserved, and brought to the Illinois Railway Museum two days later as three 15-foot wide loads. IRM planned to use it to bridge a creek.[/i]

It is currently in storage at the Museum.

The Museum also has several 4000 series EL cars that are bought out on certain weekends to ride on.

More than likely, they will probably be running on June 18th " CTA " day.

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